Comments on: Aaron Seigo on KDE 4 progress http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/ Shining a spotlight on the openSUSE Community Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:44:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Omaha http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-764 Omaha Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:56:59 +0000 http://zonker.opensuse.org/?p=293#comment-764 Makes sense - never been a problem - finding something to put the finger on with KDE 4.2 gets harder and harder... ;) Makes sense – never been a problem – finding something to put the finger on with KDE 4.2 gets harder and harder…

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]]> By: Beineri http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-763 Beineri Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:10:25 +0000 http://zonker.opensuse.org/?p=293#comment-763 Powerdevil is now part of KDE and as such part of kdebase4-workspace package. So nothing wrong in not having an extra powerdevil package installed with KDE 4.2. :-) Powerdevil is now part of KDE and as such part of kdebase4-workspace package. So nothing wrong in not having an extra powerdevil package installed with KDE 4.2. :-)

]]> By: Omaha http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-759 Omaha Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:02:04 +0000 http://zonker.opensuse.org/?p=293#comment-759 KDE 4.2 has been running for a coupple of hours on my machine and everything is smooth. I experience 3 issues that I book on the "FactoryAccount" and OpenSuse adaption.: - Powerdevil works fine but the powerdevil package will not install (4.1.3 dependencies I presume) - In Akgregator settings for columnheading (filtering) are not persistent - KDE control panel --> Advanced --> Desktop Theme Details (allows combination of Plasma Themes) crashes The rest appears hunky dory. Another topic that might be of interest is that Nvidia has released a new driver: 180.25 (beta?). IT seems to solve the problem with X in infinitive loop and suspend to ram / hibernate on Thinkpads (and Toshibas?). A real improvement on my T62 NVS 140 anyhow. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/ A perfect day in paradise.... KDE 4.2 has been running for a coupple of hours on my machine and everything is smooth. I experience 3 issues that I book on the “FactoryAccount” and OpenSuse adaption.:
- Powerdevil works fine but the powerdevil package will not install (4.1.3 dependencies I presume)
- In Akgregator settings for columnheading (filtering) are not persistent
- KDE control panel –> Advanced –> Desktop Theme Details (allows combination of Plasma Themes) crashes
The rest appears hunky dory.

Another topic that might be of interest is that Nvidia has released a new driver: 180.25 (beta?). IT seems to solve the problem with X in infinitive loop and suspend to ram / hibernate on Thinkpads (and Toshibas?). A real improvement on my T62 NVS 140 anyhow.

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/

A perfect day in paradise….

]]> By: Omaha http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-756 Omaha Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:48:38 +0000 http://zonker.opensuse.org/?p=293#comment-756 As many others I've been around the block a few times with various Desktop Environments and ALL of them have pros and cons. This is also the case with KDE 4.2. In my book, the statements made by Mr. Linus Torvalds are rather pragmatic, fair and straigth forward. Just the way it is. The only problem with Mr. Torvalds' statement is that his position makes another round of bashing legit for others who are less pragmatic. I must admit, my tolerance decreases when reviews or blog entries are based upon "me like, me no like" and even more so when renown writers publishes articles that clearly demonstrates their lack of knowledge and no open mind whatsoever. <strong>In general, the negative articles about KDE 4.X could be defined by:</strong> A: Based upon a VERY strong KDE 3.5 preference. B: Applying conclusions from previosus versions. C: Confusing poor implementations with the quality of the DE. D: Only considering "the surface" - not taking the underlying functionality into account. E: Disregarding the importance of potential for future evolution. F: Confusing personal preferences and needs with the needs of the "typical user" (It doesn't cater for MY needs <strong>YET</strong> - it MUST be bad). I'm not convinced that Mr. Aaron Seigo's "style" is the best suited for rubbing off the rough edges of die hard KDE 3 fans. On the other hand, a huge turnaround like this is extremely demanding. Without persistence, commitment and an enormous drive a project like KDE 4 is impossible. I believe Aaron Seigo deserves a lot of credit for being that force together with many others. I'm rather relaxed about the KDE 4.2 release. Having used the latest version at any given time since KDE 4.0.65 it's been a true joy to see the bits an pieces falling into place. It will not be perfect, but it's as close as you get for now. Until KDE 4.3 that is. As many others I’ve been around the block a few times with various Desktop Environments and ALL of them have pros and cons. This is also the case with KDE 4.2. In my book, the statements made by Mr. Linus Torvalds are rather pragmatic, fair and straigth forward. Just the way it is. The only problem with Mr. Torvalds’ statement is that his position makes another round of bashing legit for others who are less pragmatic.

I must admit, my tolerance decreases when reviews or blog entries are based upon “me like, me no like” and even more so when renown writers publishes articles that clearly demonstrates their lack of knowledge and no open mind whatsoever.

In general, the negative articles about KDE 4.X could be defined by:
A: Based upon a VERY strong KDE 3.5 preference.
B: Applying conclusions from previosus versions.
C: Confusing poor implementations with the quality of the DE.
D: Only considering “the surface” – not taking the underlying functionality into account.
E: Disregarding the importance of potential for future evolution.
F: Confusing personal preferences and needs with the needs of the “typical user” (It doesn’t cater for MY needs YET – it MUST be bad).

I’m not convinced that Mr. Aaron Seigo’s “style” is the best suited for rubbing off the rough edges of die hard KDE 3 fans. On the other hand, a huge turnaround like this is extremely demanding. Without persistence, commitment and an enormous drive a project like KDE 4 is impossible. I believe Aaron Seigo deserves a lot of credit for being that force together with many others.

I’m rather relaxed about the KDE 4.2 release. Having used the latest version at any given time since KDE 4.0.65 it’s been a true joy to see the bits an pieces falling into place. It will not be perfect, but it’s as close as you get for now. Until KDE 4.3 that is.

]]> By: PeterPac http://zonker.opensuse.org/2009/01/27/aaron-seigo-on-kde-4-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-755 PeterPac Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:39:04 +0000 http://zonker.opensuse.org/?p=293#comment-755 I completely agree with you. Ridiculing others does not make the project any better. Besides, myself, I have never seen any program fully developed coming out the gate. We all learn from mistakes and if not than programs would never become gold. The ones that yell the most are the ones who never lend a hand in helping with anything. Never criticize unless one knows what you are criticizing about. I always say if one knows better than I than why are you not here helping me. I completely agree with you. Ridiculing others does not make the project any better. Besides, myself, I have never seen any program fully developed coming out the gate. We all learn from mistakes and if not than programs would never become gold. The ones that yell the most are the ones who never lend a hand in helping with anything. Never criticize unless one knows what you are criticizing about. I always say if one knows better than I than why are you not here helping me.

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